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Community Chatter => General => Topic started by: BedfordDaddy on January 25, 2013, 08:57:32 PM

Title: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: BedfordDaddy on January 25, 2013, 08:57:32 PM
Two weeks ago someone stole my rental garbage can with the garbage in it.  Today, I caught a woman in our neighborhood taking garbage bags out of cans and putting them in her car.  I called police and they did nothing.  Told me once you put trash to the curb it becomes "public commodity".  Funny...I thought going on somebody's driveway and stealing trash that could potentially lead to ID theft was trespassing and stealing.  I ask the police if my WHOLE garbage can is public commodity even though I had to pay to have it replaced....SILENCE from police.  I then let police know by using their logic...I can run over or shoot said thief when they are opening my garbage can...because that would make them "public commodity."   I also told police that the majority of ID theft is a result of stolen trash. 

Here is description and license plate number of the lady stealing your trash:

White Female
Mid 50's
Long Blonde/gray hair
Glasses
295-315 lbs
Drives WHite station wagon with wood paneling on the side
License:  OHIO C145MT
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: chartres on January 26, 2013, 10:43:14 AM
This has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, once you place your trash on the public right-of-way, it is open for anyone to dig through. This is why they sell paper shredders, there is no reason to have anything in your trash that can be taken and used to steal your identity. If you can't afford a shredder, use a match and burn it.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: Hondo on January 26, 2013, 12:27:55 PM
Don't bring up burning.  We'll have a whole discussion about that again!  BTW, I shred and use the shredding to get my woodburner going.

Rule of thumb, Shred Everything!  (OR BURN IT)
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: BedfordDaddy on January 26, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
I do shred everything that contains important information..  My point is not what should I do...my point is I can't believe police consider something sitting on my property...my driveway...up for grabs and open to the public.  Again, does this logic also apply to my kids playing in my front yard?  Are they public commodity?  According to police logic...yes, they are.   If I'm cutting the grass and run in the house for a second...does that give someone the right to take my lawn mower?  According to this logic by police...yes, it does.   But somehow, if I decide to stop the TRESPASSER and THIEF from taking my stuff in the same exact location...they will arrest me for defending my own property....then all of the sudden when the thief gets what they deserve...the police public commodity logic doesn't apply.  Hmmm.

Typical American law...do everything to protect the thief and nothing to protect the law abiding citizen...
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: KeepItPositive on January 26, 2013, 01:38:36 PM
I do shred everything that contains important information..  My point is not what should I do...my point is I can't believe police consider something sitting on my property...my driveway...up for grabs and open to the public.  Again, does this logic also apply to my kids playing in my front yard?  Are they public commodity?  According to police logic...yes, they are.   If I'm cutting the grass and run in the house for a second...does that give someone the right to take my lawn mower?  According to this logic by police...yes, it does.   But somehow, if I decide to stop the TRESPASSER and THIEF from taking my stuff in the same exact location...they will arrest me for defending my own property....then all of the sudden when the thief gets what they deserve...the police public commodity logic doesn't apply.  Hmmm.

Typical American law...do everything to protect the thief and nothing to protect the law abiding citizen...

How many times do people have to tell you this.  Garbage at the end of your driveway (which is in the public right-of-way) is allowed to be taken by ANYONE.  The supreme court has already ruled on this.  The police cannot enforce some special rules on your property just because you don't like it.  This pertains to "refuse" not to your kids or anything else.  Use some common sense here Bedforddaddy!
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: PackersFan on January 26, 2013, 01:52:41 PM
Could someone please reference the Supreme Court case on garbage.  I'd never heard of that  ruling.

And define garbage.  Just because I put something by the curb on garbage day doesn't necessarily mean that I have abandoned it.  For instance, In one city where I lived, they have a very aggressive recycling program.  We had recycle bins to put recyclables in.  That material...cans, bottles, metal, etc...belonged to the refuse company as soon as I put it by the curb.  And the amount of recyclables had a huge bearing on what next year's refuse rate was going to be.  Moreover, there was a local ordinance that made it unlawful for anyone other than the refuse company to take any of that material.  And the ordinance was strictly enforced.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: StopTheBurning on January 26, 2013, 02:18:44 PM
Bedforddaddy, you've got it right.  Trespassers have as much right to your property as you do.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: monte on January 27, 2013, 10:24:50 AM
Throw away lots of very sharp objects in every bag along with strong smelling chemicals...keeps crooks and varmints (redundant) away!
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: chartres on January 28, 2013, 10:32:16 AM
Here is the link to the SCOTUS decision, as you read it make certain you understand what you are reading, There is a difference between the majority decision and the dissenting. The long and short of it is you have no expectation of privacy in trash that you put out to be picked up by a third party. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=486&invol=35
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: BedfordDaddy on February 02, 2013, 12:42:20 PM
Well...Keep it "positive".  I only need to be told once.  I am amazed at how easily you give away your liberties.  A couple points:

1. The Supreme Court can and has made bad decisions.  Just because they make something the law of the land doesn't mean its morally right.  Hence, Roe vs. Wade.
2. I'm glad you mentioned the Supreme Court ruling, because now I have legal Supreme Court backing when I deal with garbage thieves the way I see fit. After all, according to you and your Supreme Court...anything at the end of my driveway is public commodity...This includes thieves.  So, I won't be arrested when I dispose of the thieves.
3. You still have never addressed the question posed about kids and other personal items in my yard being considered public commodity...because you know you and the Supreme Court are flawed in your thinking.   
4. We'll see if you think the same way when someone goes on your driveway and steals something.

Fautlty Liberal Ideology: "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine."
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: KeepItPositive on February 02, 2013, 01:30:09 PM
Well...Keep it "positive".  I only need to be told once.  I am amazed at how easily you give away your liberties.  A couple points:

1. The Supreme Court can and has made bad decisions.  Just because they make something the law of the land doesn't mean its morally right.  Hence, Roe vs. Wade.
2. I'm glad you mentioned the Supreme Court ruling, because now I have legal Supreme Court backing when I deal with garbage thieves the way I see fit. After all, according to you and your Supreme Court...anything at the end of my driveway is public commodity...This includes thieves.  So, I won't be arrested when I dispose of the thieves.
3. You still have never addressed the question posed about kids and other personal items in my yard being considered public commodity...because you know you and the Supreme Court are flawed in your thinking.   
4. We'll see if you think the same way when someone goes on your driveway and steals something.

Fautlty Liberal Ideology: "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine."

I don't agree with Roe vs. Wade, but it doesn't give me the right to break the law or prohibit others from following same.

And as far as taking care of the other "commodities" in your yard, good luck with that.  I can read through the lines...you do that and you will likely meet someone in prison named "Bubba" and you will become LIFE long friends.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: StopTheBurning on February 02, 2013, 02:34:55 PM
What the Supreme Court has ruled is you can't harm anyone for being on your property as long as they aren't a threat to you.  In your house is a different story but I wouldn't shoot them in the back.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: Domestic Goddess on February 02, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
B-daddy....all four of my teenage children are in my front yard.....I will NOT be calling the police if you decide to come and take them, they have worn me out.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: chartres on February 03, 2013, 11:26:46 PM
I doubt the Supreme Court has ever ruled on harming someone on your property, that is state jurisdiction. In Michigan you can use deadly force only if the intruder is in your home or attached structure, not a garage or barn that is separated from your domicile. In Texas however, you can shoot someone in an unattached building if it is between sunset and sunrise. Strictly a state law issue. 
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: J Hoffa on February 05, 2013, 06:55:42 AM
I don't agree with the premise that "Police Don't Care About ID Thieves" or the other postulates of what  "police logic" lead to.   I think it would be very informative to get a deputy's perspective on the comments.   

If priorities have to be made, I would rather our Sheriff deputies spend their time on more serious crimes and other issues like conducting more random visits to our school buildings (which I understand they are now doing).
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: randysehl on February 05, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
I'm don't agree with the premise that "Police Don't Care About ID Thieves" or the other postulates of what  "police logic" lead to.   I think it would be very informative to get a deputy's perspective on the comments.   

If priorities have to be made, I would rather our Sheriff deputies spend their time on more serious crimes and other issues like conducting more random visits to our school buildings (which I understand they are now doing).

Mr. Hoffa, since I am a deputy sheriff and you asked for some insight, I will offer it.  First to Bedforddady, I am sorry that you had a negative experience with the law enforcement agency (I'm not sure if it was the Sheriff's Office or the Michigan State Police) that you spoke to about your situation.  If you were not satisfied with the response, you do have some options.  If it was the Sheriff's Office, I would first encourage you to contact Sheriff's Sgt. Heath Velliquette.  He is in charge of the Bedford Substation and the 16 deputies that work out of that station.  He will address your concerns.  Or you can always call the Sheriff's Office directly and speak to the administration up to and including the Sheriff Dale Malone.  And If the matter was handled by the State Police, I'm certain you could call the state police post in Monroe and relay your concerns to the post commander there as well.  For now, I will reserve my thoughts about the "police logic" comment.

In the big picture, I guess a garbage thief or snooper may not be a high priority for law enforcement.  But the matter certainly deserves a response, especially in Bedford Township where the residents support and pass a special law enforcement millage which provides additional police coverage by the Sheriff's Office.  The dispatch center and deputies often must prioritize calls for service, with some shifts sometimes being absolutely crazy and other times relatively slow.  But every call deserves some type of response.

And back to Mr. Hoffa.  Yes all of the deputies working the day or afternoon shift out of the Bedford substation have been making periodic or daily checks at all south county schools including Bedford Public, Mason Consolidated, Whiteford Agricultural, New Bedford Academy, State Line Christian, St. Joseph Erie, Summerfield and Ida Schools.  Monroe County currently has 57 total sheriff deputies.  Approximately 10 years ago we had 82 deputies.  However the loss of 8 school resource officers, 5 contracted deputy positions and 12 county-paid deputies have taken it's toll.  We are often stretched thin now, but the safety of the community and all of its residents, including our children at school, remains a top priority for all of us that work there.   
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: J Hoffa on February 05, 2013, 12:24:01 PM
Your perspective is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: Hondo on February 05, 2013, 01:19:24 PM
I've had my home burglerized and cars broken into over the last 20 years.  I've caught illegal dumping into a creek.  All of which I would consider serious offenses.  I've had the same resolution 10 years ago when we had 82 deputies as I did last year with 57.   
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: randysehl on February 05, 2013, 01:26:59 PM
Well Hondo I assume you meant that no one was caught in those situations?  And yes, sometimes that is going to happen.  It often takes the eyes and ears of concerned citizens to help stop crime.  Law enforcement officers also rely upon evidence, tips and leads to help solve a crime.  If none, or very few of those are present, a crime might not be solved and/or successfully prosecuted.

 
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: Heisenberg on February 05, 2013, 02:23:31 PM
Illegal dumping into a creek merits at least 2 SWAT teams and launching the Raptor.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: Hondo on February 05, 2013, 06:18:21 PM
Illegal dumping into a creek merits at least 2 SWAT teams and launching the Raptor.

You have no clue do you Heisenberg?  Dumping acid wash into a creek kills everything.  But, what do you care.  Plus, you missed the point, but what else is new.

Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: Heisenberg on February 05, 2013, 08:15:12 PM
You have no clue do you Heisenberg?  Dumping acid wash into a creek kills everything.  But, what do you care.  Plus, you missed the point, but what else is new.

What do you honestly expect the police to do about someone dumping acid wash into a creek? Bust down their door and haul them off to jail? Shoot their dog? What response do you think is appropriate?

I think one of the biggest problems we have in Bedford Township is people whose first thought is to call the police and report their neighbors for anything they find offensive. We need to act more neighborly instead of wasting police resources on petty differences.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: Hondo on February 05, 2013, 09:00:15 PM
You have no clue do you Heisenberg?  Dumping acid wash into a creek kills everything.  But, what do you care.  Plus, you missed the point, but what else is new.

What do you honestly expect the police to do about someone dumping acid wash into a creek? Bust down their door and haul them off to jail? Shoot their dog? What response do you think is appropriate?

I think one of the biggest problems we have in Bedford Township is people whose first thought is to call the police and report their neighbors for anything they find offensive. We need to act more neighborly instead of wasting police resources on petty differences.

So if anyone can answer this, please enlighten me.  A commerical pool company is emptying it's tanker of both  pool water and acid based cleaner into a Bedford township creek.  The entire creek is white with the chemical.  What would you do?

Heisenberg?

Randy, what should I have expected from the sheriff's department?
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: randysehl on February 05, 2013, 10:44:56 PM
You have no clue do you Heisenberg?  Dumping acid wash into a creek kills everything.  But, what do you care.  Plus, you missed the point, but what else is new.

What do you honestly expect the police to do about someone dumping acid wash into a creek? Bust down their door and haul them off to jail? Shoot their dog? What response do you think is appropriate?

I think one of the biggest problems we have in Bedford Township is people whose first thought is to call the police and report their neighbors for anything they find offensive. We need to act more neighborly instead of wasting police resources on petty differences.

So if anyone can answer this, please enlighten me.  A commerical pool company is emptying it's tanker of both  pool water and acid based cleaner into a Bedford township creek.  The entire creek is white with the chemical.  What would you do?

Heisenberg?

Randy, what should I have expected from the sheriff's department?
A law enforcement response would be to notify; Monroe County Health Department, Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, and possibly HAZMAT and to identify the person responsible for the incident. 
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: PackersFan on February 05, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
Sounds like a Federal offense.  I'd start with the EPA.

I had a similar problem many years ago.  Some guy was dumping daily waste upstream into my creek.  Called the EPA and they came out with the Coast Guard.  I never saw so many guys hit that creek...probably 30 or 40.  They caught the guy in about 3 days.

Just curious...how do you know the makeup of the liquid going into the creek?  Your description sounds pretty precise.
Title: Re: Police Don't Care About ID Thieves
Post by: chartres on February 07, 2013, 08:53:08 AM
Call the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, the Department of Natural Resources, the Township Hall, and your State Representative. Just don't stay quiet on it, the squeaky wheel does get the grease.