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J Hoffa
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July 23, 2010, 10:50:38 AM »
Quote from: Don Corleone on July 23, 2010, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: J Hoffa on July 22, 2010, 12:44:58 PM
You are apparently certain that George has absolutely no interest in the survey company. Apparently Scott does not owe George anythng for any equipment, vehicles or anything related to the company such that George might have an interest in his success. Scott must also own the building, otherwise George might have an interest in assuring the success of his renter. I really doubt that you know any of those answers. Frankly, I really don't care about any of that other than it can all go to or lead to conflict of interest. What parent is not inherently prejudice?
You are right, I do have a friend that is a surveyor. I also know his son. His name is George and his son's name is Scott. It doesn't change my concern regarding the issue of potential conflict of interest.
Typical speculation. With friends like you who needs enemies.
What if Scott has no liabilities to George then what is your rant?
Frankly, I view the nepotism issue as a much bigger concern than any liability. What parent is not prejudice?
If I see a potential conflict of interest (and I am certainly not in the loop) then I am sure that others see the potential conflict as well. I believe that I am better to point out these concerns so that they can be addressed directly versus just resorting to a Cheney/Haliburtan spin as you choose to do.
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J Hoffa
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July 23, 2010, 12:47:20 PM »
Quote from: Don Corleone on July 22, 2010, 09:29:58 AM
Warnke has divested all his interest in the survey company so he also can contract with Warnke Survey.
Just as a point of clarification, it is clear from your response on a subsequent post, that you in fact have no knowledge of whether Warnke has divested his interest in the survey company or not.
Once again, made up facts to back your babble.
If you really support Warnke, you might consider not making up stuff that just comes back to embarrass his campaign.
Must have been great to be a master planner; never had to really back up anything. Just make it up as you go along.
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StopTheBurning
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July 23, 2010, 12:53:16 PM »
Pretty hard to divest yourself from a company when your son operates it now.
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RUkidding
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July 23, 2010, 04:37:48 PM »
Quote from: J Hoffa on July 23, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
Just as a point of clarification, it is clear from your response on a subsequent post, that you in fact have no knowledge of whether Warnke has divested his interest in the survey company or not.
I think you need to take it up with the Monroe Evening News. Your strong with the innuendo but you making accusation without any proof whatsoever.
There was a reason George elected to step away from his survey company in 1998 and turn it all over to his son Scott.
But you would like to ignore those reasons, just to disparage George. When engineers that have worked with George for years call George they find that George refers them to Scott because GEORGE is no longer associated with G.B. Warnke & Associates
Spouse: Patricia
Children: Four
Occupation, employer:
Sole proprietor of G.B. Warnke & Associates, 1972 to 1998
; president of G.B. Warnke & Associates, Inc., 1999 to present; chief surveyor for Monroe County Road Commission, Sept., 2004 to Feb. 2010; Monroe County surveyor, 1984-2008
Education: Waite High School, Toledo; Attended University of Toledo and on-going professional development in the field of surveying.
Why I’m running for office:
“The Monroe County Road Commission (MCRC) has the responsibility of maintaining 1500+/- miles of roadway with limited funds, old equipment and a reduced work force. Working for MCRC for 5-1/2 years allowed me to see how the road commission operated and how the reduced work force affected the productivity. My objective will be to review MCRC finances from fuel taxes to improve funding from The State of Michigan and Washington.
We must soon upgrade the aged equipment with new equipment to reduce the repair costs and lost work time due to broken equipment. It is quite probable that further reductions in funding will be necessary in the months to come, forcing MCRC to reduce its manpower and services. Decisions will need to be made in the near future, and my experience and passion for Monroe County will allow me to make those decisions for the people of Monroe County.”
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LionFan
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July 24, 2010, 08:12:28 PM »
What I think is great about the whole discussion is you guys are allowed to post your thoughts whether they are factual or not, and hide behind a fake name. If you think you know what you are talking about then post your real name.
I can tell you that George still has an interest in G.B. Warnke & Associates, Inc. (GBW) as he is the president of the company. He was sole proprietor until 1998 when the company was incorporated. In 2004 he wanted to step back from the daily operations of the company as he was tired of managing the company after 33 years. Scott is the Vice President of GBW and it was set up that way in case something unfortunate happened to George. A company owned by a sole proprietor gets tied up in court upon an owners death, but a corporation can continue to operate. We chose to incorporate to protect the employees jobs should the unfortunate happen. Scott went to work for the company as the law requires a survey company to have direct supervision from a licensed surveyor. Nothing was turned over or given to Scott. He is an employee of the company operating as the Professional Surveyor and Manager.
Regarding the Conflict of interest, GBW has not performed work for the Monroe County Road Commission in (god only knows) probably 20 years. In fact, the last time there was a survey project that the Road Commission needed to subcontract out, George was working for the Road Commission and could not use GBW because of the conflict of interst. The engineers would prefer to use the larger engineering firms anyway. Many of the public agencies are starting to hire the larger engineering firms, many which are not located in Monroe County. One in particular is based in Canada. Of course that is a different discussion.
Anyone who knows George, knows that he is not running for road Commissioner to help the business of GBW. He is running because he has been a resident of Monroe County for 39 years and wants to help improve the functionality of the Road Commission. While working for the road commission for 5 years before being laid of due to budget cuts, George saw how the road commission operated and believes he has a chance to help improve that by running for road commissioner.
So I hope I have answered all of your false comments about George and his company. You can rest assured knowing that he is doing this for the best intersest of Monroe County and not to secretly get a foot in the door for GBW and his son. If you think you know something factual about George and his company and want to post it in this forum, back it up by putting your real name at the end of your remarks.
Thank you,
Scott Warnke
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buckeyenutt
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July 25, 2010, 09:10:53 AM »
Well lion fan do you feel it is a conflict of interest since he is still an employee at the road commission? and trust me i happen to know that he has an agenda against the unions and a few management people.
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bedford wife
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July 25, 2010, 10:39:42 AM »
It sounds to me like George's motives are altruistic. An example was given about not competing for a contract because of conflict of interest so there is that addressed. This is a small town, if we rule out everyone who could possible have a conflict of interest...well that does "reduce the broth" so to speak and it could just cause a sticky mess!
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J Hoffa
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July 25, 2010, 10:45:06 AM »
Quote from: LionFan on July 24, 2010, 08:12:28 PM
I can tell you that George still has an interest in G.B. Warnke & Associates, Inc. (GBW) as he is the president of the company. He was sole proprietor until 1998 when the company was incorporated.
Regarding the Conflict of interest, GBW has not performed work for the Monroe County Road Commission in (god only knows) probably 20 years. In fact, the last time there was a survey project that the Road Commission needed to subcontract out, George was working for the Road Commission and could not use GBW because of the conflict of interst. The engineers would prefer to use the larger engineering firms anyway. Many of the public agencies are starting to hire the larger engineering firms, many which are not located in Monroe County. One in particular is based in Canada. Of course that is a different discussion.
Thank you,
Scott Warnke
Interestingly, after all your accusations, let's point out one of your distortions. It is known that Warnke has done work for the road commission in the last twenty years in the form of a subcontract to an engineering design firm that was directed by the road commission to use him for right of way and roadway topography. Guess you just forgot.
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collegekid
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July 25, 2010, 12:27:52 PM »
Quote from: J Hoffa on July 25, 2010, 10:45:06 AM
Interestingly, after all your accusations, let's point out one of your distortions. It is known that Warnke has done work for the road commission in the last twenty years in the form of a subcontract to an engineering design firm that was directed by the road commission to use him for right of way and roadway topography. Guess you just forgot.
Subcontracts are not done through the RC though. It is not the RC's responsibility to tell another company whom they can use for sub contracts. It really just appears that you have an ax to grind on this issue.
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LionFan
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July 25, 2010, 08:26:49 PM »
buckeyenutt,
George is NOT employed by the Road Commission. He was permanently laid off in February. The article in the Monroe Evening News stated that.
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J Hoffa
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July 26, 2010, 04:31:52 AM »
Quote from: collegekid on July 25, 2010, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: J Hoffa on July 25, 2010, 10:45:06 AM
Interestingly, after all your accusations, let's point out one of your distortions. It is known that Wanker has done work for the road commission in the last twenty years in the form of a subcontract to an engineering design firm that was directed by the road commission to use him for right of way and roadway topography. Guess you just forgot.
Subcontracts are not done through the RC though. It is not the RC's responsibility to tell another company whom they can use for sub contracts. It really just appears that you have an ax to grind on this issue.
Subcontracts may not be done directly through the RC, however, the road commission has intervened prior to award of certain contracts to assure that certain subcontractors were used. There is not much difference.
I have no ax to grind with Warnke. I do have a concern about conflict of interest and I have an ax to grind with misinformation.
Don C stated that Warnke had entirely divested himself from the survey company (check his posts). That certainly does not appear to be the case if you believe what has been posted . So there is a potential conflict of interest issue.
Don C. also proclaimed his support for Warnke. So a supporter for Warnke was spreading false information regarding any potential conflict of interest. Not Georges's fault but misinformation regardless.
I continue believe it is in George's best interest to address this issue directly.
Bedford Wife, I understand this is a small community with limited services; however, I also think cutting special favors for any group is called politics.
If the survey company has not done much work for the road commission other than some subcontracts, then providing a position statement on what he would do to avoid a conflict of interest should not be a problem.
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bedford wife
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July 26, 2010, 07:01:22 AM »
Hoffa...Just to clarify....I don't think anyone should get special favors. I do think that in a community as small as this one it is very difficult to find anyone who doesnt have a tie, in some fashion, to something. I don't think it's the possible conflict of interest that bothers me, I guess I want to know can this person operate ethically in spite of close ties to a business. Everyday, in the US, judges have to rule on issues that may conflict with their personal belief. Attorneys use what's called a "chinese wall" if a firm ends up representing both parties in a case. I agree that any one running for any office or position should address a percieved conflict of interes. This way all the speculation can stop.
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RUkidding
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July 26, 2010, 09:34:48 AM »
Monroe County can do what Monroe County does best send work to Detroit.
How's that concept working for you?
Even if there is a possible conflict by keeping work local it is far better than sending work to Detroit.
I would rather give a job to a local bidder that may be a bit higer then to give work to anyone in Detroit.
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July 26, 2010, 02:04:16 PM »
Quote from: J Hoffa on July 26, 2010, 04:31:52 AM
Quote from: collegekid on July 25, 2010, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: J Hoffa on July 25, 2010, 10:45:06 AM
Interestingly, after all your accusations, let's point out one of your distortions. It is known that Wanker has done work for the road commission in the last twenty years in the form of a subcontract to an engineering design firm that was directed by the road commission to use him for right of way and roadway topography. Guess you just forgot.
Subcontracts are not done through the RC though. It is not the RC's responsibility to tell another company whom they can use for sub contracts. It really just appears that you have an ax to grind on this issue.
Don C stated that Warnke had entirely divested himself from the survey company (check his posts). That certainly does not appear to be the case if you believe what has been posted . So there is a potential conflict of interest issue.
Don C. also proclaimed his support for Warnke. So a supporter for Warnke was spreading false information regarding any potential conflict of interest. Not Georges's fault but misinformation regardless.
Looks like Don really went the extra mile on this set of distortions.
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RUkidding
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July 26, 2010, 08:42:58 PM »
Quote from: waterboy on July 26, 2010, 02:04:16 PM
Looks like Don really went the extra mile on this set of distortions.
Waterboy I see you back defending your job at the road commission. Sound like hoffa is one of the gang also. If Warnke wins I would guess hoffa will either be first or second out the door. In either case your both out of there which is great news for the county.
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