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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2010, 12:26:15 PM » |
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It has been a long time and most Americans have forgot that Reagan closed facilities that housed Americans with a wide range disabilities. Up until Reagan these Americans were in a safe environment away and out of view from the American public. Reagan took it upon himself to throw these Americans on the street in clear view of all able Americans to view.
Yes we have all seen the isolated stories of the rich beggars and now it's easy to justify that every beggar is rich. The fact is there are many homeless Americans and yes some become desperate to beg. So if you feel that person is a liar offer to take him to a restaurant or one of the churches offering meals or take him to buy some clothes or take him to a shelter. If that beggar has a family offer to take him to a grocery store.
If they reject your offer well your accusations may be correct but if they accept your offer don't renege.
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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2010, 11:47:34 PM » |
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Being a previous working in the Mental Health Field, many of the institions that closed needed to be. All of the clients were overmedicated, cheaper to medicate then to treat. I think there needs to be some Mental health hospitals/institions but the people I have seen come out of Ypsi. for example how there werer treated in there was a crime.
Anyways, when I see a begger,homeless person, panhandler ( whatever the name) if i have money I give it. What they do with it is up to them. Because I dont want to pass up the " true" person in need because of the drunks, and drug addicts that pretend to be needing money for food or family . If they use the money for something other then its intent, let the sin fall on them, but I cant just write them all off as being fake, becuase there are plenty that arent
Oh and the bike lady, she had a house, pretty nice one actually. Dont know what has since happened to her but she had a house.
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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2010, 12:00:53 AM » |
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Yeah, let's not "assume"...
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wilfred cosgrove
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« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2010, 02:08:38 PM » |
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DON CORLEONE:
you give new meaning to the phrase" ignorance is bliss."
Ronald Reagan didn't toss any mental health patients out into the streets his entire eight years in office. Your ignorance of facts is appalling and disgraceful. I might remind you, although I don't see the point because cretins such as you populate so much of SE Michigan, that the Democrats ruled the two bodies in Washington the Senate and the House during Reagan's years. Votes to enact legislation to under fund or cut funding to mental health institutions was done by YOUR people. Guys like John Dingell who never met a tax increase he didn't like. Your brash blame put upon a great American such as Reagan who nearly single handily ended the Cold War, of which I was a participant as a member of the USAF, are not only without substance but down right disgusting. UnAmerican in fact! Bedford Twp. is a charitable area. Some times a hand out to some one is appropriate. Some facilities are not always available but they still exist. What have you done today to help someone like that..? Drive by and ridicule them? I"I've seen some teen agers do just that in Monroe. Throw garbage at a homeless woman sitting beside her bicycle on Douglas road?
Let's face it. Mental Health facilities are not what they should be. Some are hideous in the way they treat their patients. ]But blaming a guy who died years ago is down right ignorant.. FOCUS08 IS RIGHT
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Don Corleone
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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2010, 09:31:57 PM » |
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Wilfred you don't have to go far to get the facts. The following is a quote. The Ugly: the closing of mental health hospitals in California and across the United States. Is it any wonder that California seems to have all of the crazy homeless people? State mental hospitals were taken away by Governor Reagan in the seventies, and federal mental health programs were later taken away by President Reagan in the eighties.
When Ronald Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing down mental hospitals, later as president he would cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. It is not a coincidence that the homeless populations in the state of California grew in the seventies and eighties. The people were put out on the street when mental hospitals started to close all over the state.
Seeing an increase in crime, and brutal murders by Herb Mullin, a mental hospital patient, the state legislature passed a law that would stop Reagan from closing even more state-funded mental health hospitals. But Reagan would not be outdone. In 1980, congress proposed new legislation (PL 96-398) called the community mental health systems act (crafted by Ted Kennedy), but the program was killed by newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. This action ended the federal community mental health centers (see timeline on this link) program and its funding |
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wilfred cosgrove
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2010, 09:40:52 AM » |
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Don Corleone..you stated that reagan shut down the mental health facilites singlehandlely...you are still a cretin. You NOT ME haven't done your homework. Go see who voted in the California House and Senate to do so...Democrats.! The governor doesn't close down anything...the representative bodies do all the work to do that..and they in Washingotn DC during Reagan's Presidency and his term as Governor did that..
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Don Corleone
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2010, 12:12:38 PM » |
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Don Corleone..you stated that reagan shut down the mental health facilites singlehandlely...you are still a cretin. You NOT ME haven't done your homework. Go see who voted in the California House and Senate to do so...Democrats.! The governor doesn't close down anything...the representative bodies do all the work to do that..and they in Washingotn DC during Reagan's Presidency and his term as Governor did that..
Clinging to a fine thread are we. It was Reagans lead that started the shut down of those institutions. Sure blame it on the part of government that actually makes the laws and let Reagan play nothing more than the cheerleader kind of like Pontius Pilate. |
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Lamont Cranston
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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2010, 02:31:48 PM » |
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The ACLU in the 80's went to court claimimg that if a patient could control their mental health with medication then he/she could not be held without their permission. The result was that there was a flood of patients leaving mental health facilities and then not taking their meds, not being cared for by family or friends, and ending up homless.
The courts forced this situation.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2010, 06:21:15 PM » |
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So...We Can agree POTUS Reagan Ended Communism in Eastern Eurpoe...Unfortunately it Gained Ground Here
If you are "nuts" it doesn't really matter
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A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare
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Don Corleone
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2010, 07:54:09 PM » |
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So...We Can agree POTUS Reagan Ended Communism in Eastern Eurpoe...Unfortunately it Gained Ground Here
If you are "nuts" it doesn't really matter
No we don't agree. Reagan just happened to be president when Russia fell apart all on it's own. His well know statement about tearing down that wall, was just jumping on the band wagon to a parade of events that were already in progress. As for your comment on communism, change your talk radio habit. The institutions that closed are would be well suited for the likes of beck and limbaugh and they are the communist you speak of. |
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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2010, 12:18:13 PM » |
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The USSR folded all by itself? No outside influence at all? No economic pressure? No encouragement from the west to start and maintain truly democratic organizations in the face of tremendous persecution from the communist oligarchy in power? It just decided one day that this whole world revolution thing wasn't where it's at?
Dude - what color is the sky on your planet?
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2010, 03:34:15 PM » |
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ntoonz...i almost fell off me seat laughing. between that comment (it was great) and the comments on the previous post about all the "tea party" participants being white....wow...i guess it's true everyone's reality is different.
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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2010, 04:20:57 PM » |
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I'm sorry. I just had to assume he was never there, as I was throughout the 80's, to have said something so blatantly clueless. I kind of overreacted.
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2010, 04:46:28 PM » |
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I have to agree some people are clueless and have a destorted vision in there own mind. I think this distortion is what our schools are teaching the kids about our history.
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Lamont Cranston
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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2010, 07:15:30 PM » |
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I have to agree some people are clueless and have a destorted vision in there own mind. I think this distortion is what our schools are teaching the kids about our history.
Right On! I have so many acquaintances that are stuck in the sixties and yet have this distorted view of what really was going down. Wow it's great to use 60s speak again. |
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